sorens2
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:32 PM |
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R1 or Busa
I´m buying myself a seven.
I have fallen in love with the MNR Vortx.
But should i go with the Busa and get the extra power or is the R1 enough ?
I usually can´t keep my hands off my cars so an option like supercharged must be left open.
But maby NA is enouhg.
That´s why I´m quite in love with tha Busa as there is tons of part out there.
This will be my first seven and only for trackdays.
Is it worth the extra money ?
Any inputs for or against R1/Busa ?
Soren (Denmark)
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ChrisGSXR
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:35 PM |
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Busa allday everyday, but then i would say that, i am Suzuki through and through.
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smart51
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:38 PM |
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R1 engines make quick cars. Busas more so but are muchos pesatas. You have to decide if it is worth it.
98 - 03 R1 engine make around 150 BHP and rev to 12000. Later ones more like 180 and rev to 14000. Busa engines make 180 BHP and rev to 11,000 RPM.
( Note to the pedantic, all figures are aproximate)
Busa engines are perhaps a couple of grand more expensive, are a bit more torquey due to the capacity and make the power at slightly lower revs.
R1 engines are cheaper, a bit lighter, but are more revvy. You pays your money you makes your choice.
For the cost of a busa, you can fit an R1, then replace it when it blows up.
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NigeEss
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
For the cost of a busa, you can fit an R1, then replace it when it blows up.
That's what I like to see...an optimist 
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adithorp
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:44 PM |
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The Busa needs to be dry-sumped for a track car. R1 just needs a baffle.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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sorens2
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:46 PM |
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Thanks for input.
Torque is always welcome as well as high revs.
The extra money doesn´t scare me.
I´d say the Busa is leading here.....
The R1 here has a nice setup, hadsn´t it ?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/724455.htm
And this Busa ?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/692466.htm
Soren
[Edited on 19/10/08 by sorens2]
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sorens2
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
The Busa needs to be dry-sumped for a track car. R1 just needs a baffle.
adrian
I have read quite a bit on this.
I´ll we be driving slicks so any oil issues must be sorted.
Soren
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nitram38
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:54 PM |
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Decent Busa £2500 to £3500
Dry sump £1500
Decent R1 £1000 to £2000
Baffle plate (from me!!!) £29.95
If cost is not an option, then most will go for busa, but £5000 is a lot just for your power plant.
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sorens2
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:58 PM |
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But is the extra power not welcomed if I wan´t to race primarely on Nordschleife, Spa, ect. That is fast tracks.
I drove a CSR200 this summer on the Ring and felt I needed power on the long straights....
Soren
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 09:58 PM |
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r1 and a turbo
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sorens2
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 10:00 PM |
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I just don´t like turbo due to lag.
The thrill about a seven is its direct driving that the NA gives. Response.
Soren
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 10:01 PM |
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ok
r1 and supercharger
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hobbsy
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| posted on 19/10/08 at 10:39 PM |
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Most the turbo bikes I've seen don't appear (from the videos at least!) to be that laggy. R1 or Busa...
Ask LocoR1 what he thinks (R1 Turbo).
I've got a lot of the bits needed to do mine but am leaving it as is at the moment as I still think I've got a lot to learn driving it as
it is.
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fesycresy
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| posted on 20/10/08 at 07:48 AM |
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I've built an R1 car.
Look at my avatar to see what's next
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The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/10/08 at 09:03 AM |
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Just to be a pain - have you considered the Kawasaki ZZR1400 also??? 200bhp standard in the bike and i believe cheaper than the Busa. Not sure about
sump mods but beleive Pace were developing a dry sump system which would be wise with slicks
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 20/10/08 at 09:35 AM |
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if you want to use it at the ring, my opinion is you may need the busa so you wont be swallowed on the straights.
If it was me i'd go busa, i will for my next project.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 20/10/08 at 11:44 AM |
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If you're considering forced induction now or maybe some time in the future, you really need the Busa. If however, you're happy with a
normally aspirated engine, then a ZX12R will give you the same performance as the equivalent Busa and the ZZR1400 slightly better.
Phil
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sorens2
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| posted on 20/10/08 at 07:38 PM |
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Thank´s for input.
It looks like it´s going to be the Busa then.
Soren
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