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Author: Subject: Rover v8 switch to CBR600 ITBs
scudderfish

posted on 12/8/14 at 11:14 AM Reply With Quote
What was the before/after weight of the flywheel?

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Dave

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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 12/8/14 at 11:16 AM Reply With Quote
flywheel was about 28kg before, and now I forgot to weigh it, but I reckon about 12kg.

a pretty big diet!

scratch those numbers, I can't remember at all I am getting lbs and kgs mixed up !!!

I will revise it to say it was very heavy and needed 2 hands to pick it up, I can now pick it up with 1 !

[Edited on 12/8/14 by Chris_Xtreme]

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r1_pete

posted on 12/8/14 at 11:43 AM Reply With Quote
To go back to your throttle shaft setup, could you use an 8mm or so central shaft and rose joints?

I had the same issue, although mine's a straight 6, of not wanting to stress one shaft more than the other, here's what I did, you could do similar if you reverse a set of bodies...

ITB Progress 1
ITB Progress 1

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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 17/2/15 at 02:08 PM Reply With Quote
my gosh it has been ages! I am terrible at updating frequently and unfortunately I managed to double upload my pics to my google+ album, deleted one of them, which unfortunately was the one the previous posts where using.

So, I think lots has happened, made a bracket for the VR sensor, got the MS wired up for 4 spark outputs, decided to go for LS2 coils (for fun), wired everything up, (some with temporary connector blocks whilst I sussed it out) turned it over and proved that things seem to work with it all wired up. ie I can hear the injectors clicking and can see sparks.

I've just got a swirl pot and am ready to plumb it in with a test setup at the back of the car.(out on the floor behind the car!)

thought I better get a post up as hopefully in a few days I will have tried to start it and will be amazed to see how well the tunerstudio auto tune feature works!

some pics:










Yes I know I might have to switch a TB bank round in the future..


went for a LC2 innovate wideband controller..

the joy of wires!



embarrassed my self by thinking the starter wasn't engaging on the flywheel. turned out it was fine and I just could see it! Had the spark plugs out and all I could hear was electric motor whine. sorted the VR sensor wiring so it read something and got a reading.

link 154rpm on the MS


I know there is a lot of tidy up to do, but just want to see if the thing works!

It saw daylight for the first time in months:




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scudderfish

posted on 17/2/15 at 06:14 PM Reply With Quote
Don't have the swirl pot on the floor below the level of the HP pump as it won't self prime and it'll cook itself in short order.
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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 17/2/15 at 06:25 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for the tip, the HP pump is on the floor the swirl pot is going to be up on a bit of wood!
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scudderfish

posted on 17/2/15 at 06:27 PM Reply With Quote
That was actually one mistake I didn't make doing mine
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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 18/2/15 at 09:10 AM Reply With Quote
temp fuel setup!

swirl pot will be raised up for trial.

(I have a deadline decision to make, ie pay remainder of skcc euro trip money by the end of the month, so have to see if it runs and how confident I am I can finish it by May!)

not sure about the yellow fuel, it has been sitting since last March.. That is what is left after a few days sitting, so it has vented off alot.



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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 19/2/15 at 09:56 AM Reply With Quote
well did a fuel leak test last night, no leaks, adjusted the FPR to 50psi, still no leaks.

rolled it out of the garage.

tried to start it, fuel was coming out of the injectors, wondering why it wasn't trying to start,

Doh! I hadn't popped the fuses in for the coils!

Then the battery was drained.... It did try a little and some smoke came out of the exhausts

mainly myself and Gary get to live another day and try again Sat PM, if not fri eve.

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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 21/2/15 at 07:40 PM Reply With Quote
1st start!


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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 21/2/15 at 07:47 PM Reply With Quote
well .. at last got to try and start it.

I had sat down and gone over the MS settings again, realised it hadn't saved the required fueling as I had set it, i hadn't burnt it down properly.

on from that it got going. needed more air, so too much fuel. but hey it started !

going on, it did run for a while, realised I had a coolant leak - thankfully just a loose hose.

tweaked the map - ve table and actually got it to idle with no throttle at about 850rpm.

try to increase rpm was diabolical! lots of popping and banging.. oddly a spark tester I bought this morning didn't work at all nor the timing light.

I realised it was running in MAP mode.. changed that to ALPHA-N... no change but at least it is using the right setup.

I think there is all the way too much fuel. I wonder if the map I am using was from a larger Rv8, need to investigate.

Idle acually seemed ok by the end, even with an AFR of ~14.

It was odd that on the offside, all exhausts registered ~160degrees C but on the nearside front 2 were nearer 200 and the rear two down at 60.

But hey it was great to have it running again!

Need to get on with a lot more MS reading now!

[Edited on 21/2/15 by Chris_Xtreme]

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BaileyPerformance

posted on 21/2/15 at 08:44 PM Reply With Quote
Did you balance all the throttles? It is super critical to get them spot on, I suspect that's why your exhaust temps are all over the place
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BaileyPerformance

posted on 21/2/15 at 08:46 PM Reply With Quote
Aim for an idle of 13afr just to get it running clean and get the throttles balanced, then lean it off abit of the idle quality remains good. If you end up with I rich idle it doesn't really matter unless you are running CATS
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rusty nuts

posted on 21/2/15 at 09:29 PM Reply With Quote
Nice one, loved the wind generator
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BaileyPerformance

posted on 21/2/15 at 09:48 PM Reply With Quote
Just watched your vid, sounded like it kicked back on the starter, double chk your trigger wheel settings (if not using EDIS) and set your cranking timing a 10.

Double chk with a strobe light that the timing on the engine matches the laptop. Dual back type strive lights don't work properly on a wasted spark system. You need a basic strobe light without timing control.

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scudderfish

posted on 22/2/15 at 09:10 AM Reply With Quote
Excellent

Now do everything Dale tells you.

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BaileyPerformance

posted on 22/2/15 at 09:43 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
Excellent

Now do everything Dale tells you.


Scudderfish,
How your v8 going? I remember some concerns about a slightly cool header (conpaired to rest) I also remember it made good power anyway!

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Ugg10

posted on 22/2/15 at 09:51 AM Reply With Quote
Just a thought, cool headers on odd cylinders may also be a slight inlet leak (i.e. running a bit lean)? Had a nightmare getting my Zetec to run until I found that there were leaks around the injectors and then on the inlet manifold gasket.





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scudderfish

posted on 22/2/15 at 09:52 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BaileyPerformance
quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
Excellent

Now do everything Dale tells you.


Scudderfish,
How your v8 going? I remember some concerns about a slightly cool header (conpaired to rest) I also remember it made good power anyway!


New job has got in the way of most stuff. I've learnt I'm to very good at bodywork/painting making the hole in my bonnet for the carb hat look better I'm now just sizing up a new fuel tank. When I've had the car out, it still scares the crap out of me The header wasn't a real issue, just me being able measure something with too much accuracy and worrying about nothing too soon. I may come and visit this summer for a couple of ideas I have.

Regards,
Dave

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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 22/2/15 at 11:01 PM Reply With Quote
thanks for the replies.

Dale you are right, I haven't go so far as to balance them. For just a start I was going with the paint marks being lined up from how they were in the bike. (knowing each bank could be different)

Would you believe that morning I had rushed out early to get a spark tester (one of those pen type ones that works by being near the wires) and a Gunson G4113 timing light

all machinemart had and both of which didn't work ! yet to double check this against the zafira.

inlet manifold gasket for the air leak, is perhaps a likely contender. I did notice water was getting into the oil, so perhaps that corner is not quite right. I'll have to look into that.


I still seem to have a long list to go..:

get swirl pot and HP pump fitted into the boot and rear panel.
decided that after hearing the LP pump noise in the video that that is just gonna have to get replaced.
rear tub off, replace fuel pipes up to sender unit as they are starting to crack and are probably too old for current fuel.

replace the seals on the push in drive shafts diff end.. not gonna pass and mot with them as they are.

moving forward, get the passenger footwell wiring all tidied up and fixed back up.
get MS fixed to tunnel or somewhere similar.

engine bay area
fix coolant to oil leak
get trumpets to right height to fit under scoop
balance TBs

check timing as we did think it was perhaps a bit off, we did check it again by removing no1 spark plug and seemed ok. shame no timing light...

brain area - learn MS more, and fuel maps!

all good, fun, and still feels great to have gotten it to fire up

[Edited on 23/2/15 by Chris_Xtreme]

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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 23/2/15 at 08:09 PM Reply With Quote
how am I getting my timing wrong?

so I have double checked which tooth is next the to VR sensor at TDC. It matches up to the TDC mark on the crank pully and also when we take plug number one out and watch a pencil come to the top and start dropping down.

I also tried setting it to tooth 27, 25 and 24... using the spreadsheet to calculate the numbers for MS. Tehy would all idle but none let me apply any throttle.. am I way off?

have I got this right? :





[Edited on 23/2/15 by Chris_Xtreme]

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Ugg10

posted on 23/2/15 at 08:27 PM Reply With Quote
Sorry if I am teaching granny to suck the proverbial, stating the obvious etc., but are the plug leads/coilpack/ecu/injectors all connected up and firing in the right order?





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40inches

posted on 23/2/15 at 08:50 PM Reply With Quote
I may have the totally wrong end of the stick here (most probably have!) But shouldn't the VR sensor be opposite the fifth tooth?
Or is that only for EDIS8?

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Chris_Xtreme

posted on 23/2/15 at 09:33 PM Reply With Quote
It is a good point. I really should triple check the coils go to the right plug.

As the tester I bought failed me, I think I will do a manual check, ie take the plugs out and see which ones fire when I just have the connected coil connected.

No 1 cylinder is the front right as you look at the radiator?

Using ms to control the spark, thus can choose which tooth.

Cheers

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scudderfish

posted on 23/2/15 at 10:05 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chris_Xtreme
It is a good point. I really should triple check the coils go to the right plug.



Work on the assumption that every one you look at is actually wrong until you have categorically proved and documented that it is not. Check MS to coil pack and coil pack to spark plug. Stick post it notes on the rocker covers numbered 1-8 so that you don't lose track of which is which as you are walking around the car. Do something similar with the coil packs. Have the firing order written down somewhere large that you can easily see.

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