turnipfarmer
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| posted on 8/10/13 at 09:42 PM |
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I was going to ask the local test centre, too.
But then I thought... hold on... what happens if I don't get the particular individual I spoke to doing my test for some reason? Another tester
may have an entirely different view. And I've only got a verbal opinion anyway.
By emailing VOSA head office, I now have a definitive statement in writing that I can work to. Plus it's something I can show at the local test
centre that they can't really argue with, as it's come from the outfit that makes the rules, the outfit who are presumably their
superiors.
Also as the email postdates the latest manual, it is effectively an update.
Or at least that was the thinking! (Probably misguided!) 
I know it's probably an easy mod to do this buzzer/warning light thingy, but I would hate to do something I didn't have to, do it
'wrongly' & get failed for it.
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Dave Bailey
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| posted on 9/10/13 at 11:48 AM |
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Just read the link with the Vosa response which is exactly how mine was wired...
Side lights (no fog light)
Main or Dipped fog light can be switched on...
The buzzer or the ability to have to physically turn the fog back on after the ignition switch is turned off did not apply during my test despite
being in the manual.
thanks
Dave B
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Daverog
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| posted on 9/10/13 at 02:15 PM |
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I went through SVA at Nottingham last week and I had a latching relay fitted for the original test. I was told by the examiner I did not need it and
to revert to the fog lamp being switched through the dipped beam circuit as original and that those clauses did not apply to our type of vehicle. I
just used a standard relay and passed no problem.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/10/13 at 02:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Daverog
I went through SVA at Nottingham last week and I had a latching relay fitted for the original test. I was told by the examiner I did not need it and
to revert to the fog lamp being switched through the dipped beam circuit as original and that those clauses did not apply to our type of vehicle. I
just used a standard relay and passed no problem.
You SVA'd a Delorean?!
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Daverog
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| posted on 9/10/13 at 02:37 PM |
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Delorean?? No, MK Indy that was a big enough challenge!!!!
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Jenko
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| posted on 23/10/13 at 03:23 PM |
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SVA has not been around for a while now, hence the requirement for a Delorean, with the fitted option of a flux capacitor ;-)
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Daverog
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| posted on 23/10/13 at 06:20 PM |
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good point, bit slow on the uptake!!
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Davedew
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 12:28 PM |
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Having read through all of the previous posts in this thread, what is the current school of thought with regards to the buzzer being needed?
I am hopefully going to IVA in the next 2-3 months and at the moment my foglight only operates with main & dipped beam as per the previous
requirement.
Do I just add a buzzer into the circuit to make sure I'm covered, or is there definately on need for it?
Now car is in one piece would be a shame to have to take the dash off again.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 12:42 PM |
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Best answer is to call your chosen VOSA test center to get their opinion, they are the ones who will be judge and jury.
If you cant or dont to that, for the sake of a £90 retest, I would fit the buzzer (or a fancy latching switch if you want to get a little more
complex)
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Jenko
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 02:29 PM |
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Point of clarifcation please......
must only illuminate when dipped beam, main beam or front fog lamps are lit
Could this be re-written to read 'must only illuminate when dipped beam or main beam or front fog lamps are lit'...as mine
ONLY lights when the dip beam is on (and for the dip beam to be on, the side lights need to be on).
[Edited on 7/1/14 by Jenko]
[Edited on 7/1/14 by Jenko]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 03:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jenko
Point of clarifcation please......
must only illuminate when dipped beam, main beam or front fog lamps are lit
Could this be re-written to read 'must only illuminate when dipped beam or main beam or front fog lamps are lit'...as mine
ONLY lights when the dip beam is on (and for the dip beam to be on, the side lights need to be on).
Thats how I understand comma's work in general english.
Something, something or something (means something or something or something)
Something else, something else and somthing else (means something else and something else and something else)
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Andy S
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 03:25 PM |
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If fogs goes off when on Main then its a fail. Main/Dip or Fog is correct,
Also wired in a buzzer into our circuit and tester did check for it.
[Edited on 7/1/14 by Andy S]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 04:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy S
If fogs goes off when on Main then its a fail. Main/Dip or Fog is correct,
That is a good point but having a dipped/main could be construde as when you only have both on.
There is no real way to make it obvious in a single sentence
It could read
The rear fog lamp(s) must only illuminate when:
Dipped;
and
Dipped with Main;
and Main are lit
or;
Front Fogs are lit
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Jenko
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 05:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by Andy S
If fogs goes off when on Main then its a fail. Main/Dip or Fog is correct,
That is a good point but having a dipped/main could be construde as when you only have both on.
There is no real way to make it obvious in a single sentence
It could read
The rear fog lamp(s) must only illuminate when:
Dipped;
and
Dipped with Main;
and Main are lit
or;
Front Fogs are lit
But, as per your previous post, that goes against our understanding of English punctuation:
'must only illuminate when dipped beam, main beam or front fog lamps are lit'
I will be coming home Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, to me means either of those three options, which is exactly how I read the IVA manual......
Using some common sense, I would never use my full beam when it's foggy enough to warrant the fog light being on, you simply get so much glare
back..........
I really hope I don't have to start rewiring!...Guess the only true answer comes from Mr IVA man.
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CosKev3
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| posted on 7/1/14 at 05:37 PM |
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I'm going to use a VW polo light switch,you pull it out to turn on the rear fog when headlights are on,then when you turn off your headlights to
sidelights the switch physically goes in and turns off the rear fog light.
No need for buzzers or relays etc then to remind you fog is left on.
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axle
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| posted on 23/2/14 at 09:14 PM |
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[Do you know what type of relay it is, would you be able to give us a part number from Mapplin, this would be good for other buddies on the forum as
well!
cheers
quote]Originally posted by loggyboy
I would try something like this
Regards Axle
IVA passed 1st time thanks to the Forum members.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 20/3/14 at 04:58 PM |
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Just had a reply to another email I sent to VOSA for clarification.
The requirements of note 4 will therefore only apply if the rear fog lamp
then operates if the position lamps are switched off and back on, as is
possible on some modern CAN bus wiring systems. As most kit cars take the
fog lamp feed directly from the headlamp circuit, this will not be possible
and as such there is no requirement for the systems listed in note 4 to be
fitted.
I did also ask if there was to be a revision to the manual to clarify, but no mention of this was made in his reply
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 20/3/14 at 07:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Toprivetguns
So a big red light with the FOG sign is not sufficient?
Thanks for this, very close to IVA.
Cheers
The trouble is, that can be missed, especially if poorly positioned. I used to have a Mk 2 Sierra and the fog light switch (with integral warning
lamp) was hidden from view when you drove in the ten to two position. I once took it for an MOT and the next morning drove for a mile or so before I
noticed the warning light dimly reflected in the drivers side window.
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rash12
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| posted on 20/3/14 at 07:40 PM |
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just fit the cartek control box and cover you arse it only 33.00 quid
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CosKev3
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| posted on 20/3/14 at 08:55 PM |
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Or use a VW combined headlight/fog light switch,the fog light is physically turned off when you turn lights off
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