RazMan
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 09:07 AM |
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DDR is nearly ready!
Personally I think it's gorgeous and will probably be my next project.
Check it out here
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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ned
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 09:16 AM |
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very macca f1!
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Danozeman
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 10:21 AM |
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Lovely looking car!!
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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liftarn
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 11:16 AM |
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When you mention DDR and mid-engines what first came into my mind was the Melkus RS1000, the only sports car from East-Germany.
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Alan B
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 01:53 PM |
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Mr Skeptic here........
Agreed it does look very nice, but there is minimal actual useful info. on the site......pics of the chassis, suspension, etc would be nice.....
My guess is it's a long way off production...I could be wrong of course....
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 02:03 PM |
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The windscreen would cost a fortune to have tooled up, then how many to offset that against?
Cheers,
Syd.
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kb58
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 02:53 PM |
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I remember DDR coming onto the Attack forum (don't get me started), and in essence trolling for customers. Several years ago it was
"nearly ready"...
If they're really going to make a go of selling a kitcar they'd better make dang sure their site is 100% top notch - which it isn't.
This, right from the start, gives a very poor impression of them as a viable corporate entity. I guess over the years I've come to have a very
harsh and skeptical opinion of the kitcar industry. Some characters who think they'll make tons of money just because they have a car idea they
like. Too much enthusiasm, too little business smarts.
[Edited on 5/11/06 by kb58]
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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kb58
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 02:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
The windscreen would cost a fortune to have tooled up, then how many to offset that against?
Cheers,
Syd.
They probably think they're going to sell thousands... That logic flaw comes from asking people, "would you want one of these?",
but asking the question at a kitcar show... of course they want one. It gives the misguided idea that "everyone wants one." The real
problem though is human nature, they aren't being asked to put down real, physical money on the table. As my wife likes to say,
"people's eyes are bigger than their stomachs." How many of these people have $20,000 all ready to go into a car project - really?
People looking at kitcars do so because they can't afford the car they really want, and that's the problem. Kitcar companies are by
default dealing with people with little money... pretty hard to make a fortune given that.
[Edited on 5/11/06 by kb58]
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Alan B
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 03:33 PM |
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I guess KB and I have too many of our own development hours under our belts to be anything but the forum's resident skeptic
brothers.....
quote:
Originally posted by kb58
I remember DDR coming onto the Attack forum (don't get me started), and in essence trolling for customers. Several years ago it was
"nearly ready"...
If they're really going to make a go of selling a kitcar they'd better make dang sure their site is 100% top notch - which it isn't.
This, right from the start, gives a very poor impression of them as a viable corporate entity. I guess over the years I've come to have a very
harsh and skeptical opinion of the kitcar industry. Some characters who think they'll make tons of money just because they have a car idea they
like. Too much enthusiasm, too little business smarts.
[Edited on 5/11/06 by kb58]
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kb58
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 05:15 PM |
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Hey Alan, how's yours coming along?
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Alan B
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 06:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kb58
Hey Alan, how's yours coming along?
Oh it's nearly finished...LOL
Seriously though, recently I've been helping my Dad rebuild his barn before the next hurricane season so my spare time has been limited.
One day though.........
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sgraber
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 09:01 PM |
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FYI - The ddr website used to have a bunch of photos on their website... So I did a little search. Have you guys ever heard of the wayback machine? It
stores copies of every website ever made, and keeps the revisions too. It's incredible. (But I digress) A simple search on the wayback and
VIOLA!
http://web.archive.org/web/20041102011657/www.ddrmotorsport.com/picture_process.html
Take a look. It's a photogallery of frame and mold building.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 01:11 AM |
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Thanks for that Steve, it reminds me of my original irritation with this outfit. That is, they had the nerve to claim they didn't copy any car
and that it's a combination of many ideas from Ferrari, Porsche, blah blah blah... yet they left out one car in particular. One car that if it
were put next to their's everyone would say, "hey, that's nearly an exact copy." The car in question is the McLaren F1. Odd
how they somehow negleted to mention it. Guess it's clear I get annoyed when people don't give credit where credit is due, and trying to
pass it off as thier own... wrong.
Yeah I know they'd say it's "completely different." Maybe on the inside, but they clearly took McLaren's lead and claim
they came up with it. Boo!
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Fred W B
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 06:24 AM |
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Count me in as another of the forum's resident skeptic brothers.....
As I keep saying when new kits appear like this, how the hell anybody can try to start selling a kit car with a straight face when they don't
even have a running finished example is beyond me.
Cheers
Fred W B
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gttman
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 07:45 PM |
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I was also annoyed by their blatent copy and then claiming inspiration from every other supercar other than the F1.
Of cause if they did admit inspiration from the F1 then Mclaren would probably close them down...... I understand they are signfificanly harsher than
Ferrari at protecting their brand.
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sgraber
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 07:58 PM |
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They have made a nice looking McLaren F1 shape lookalike.
Maybe making an 'ORIGINAL' design body shape that people like is just too difficult? Or is it too risky for the amount of effort and
money required?
I don't know - since I haven't tried copying anyone elses design.
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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gttman
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 08:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
I don't know - since I haven't tried copying anyone elses design.
Graber
Me too... I took no inspiration from any other car when designing mine.... hounest.
[Edited on 22/5/06 by gttman]
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MrFluffy
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 08:22 PM |
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Hmm I didnt think f1...
Call me the odd one out, but I thought "hmmm that looks like a tweaked and modernised in appearance Nova (as in Richard Oakley kitcar).
Of course I may be biased owning one thats currently sawn into 8 lumps in the name of middy v8 conversion...
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erwe
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| posted on 13/5/06 at 04:13 AM |
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GTTMAN, very nice!!
Is it self made or did you use parts of other bodywork?
I am in the thinking and designing part of my V12 project.
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gttman
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| posted on 13/5/06 at 09:43 AM |
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I took body parts that were close to what I wanted (although as it turns out they are knowere near) I then cut and shut then to make the base for the
buck...... I find it easier to start from something and move to what I want than to start with a clean sheet.
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jono_misfit
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| posted on 13/5/06 at 10:21 AM |
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Im suprised they havent been taken to court already.
Ive just looked at a picture of both. The DDR is so close to the mclaren right down to extra arch lips and everything. The only real difference is the
side air intakes on the DDR, but looked at from the side they will look close to the F1.
Nice shape, wouldnt buy one though.
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