Patten
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 09:29 AM |
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Pre IVA "Private land testing"
Morning all,
My father and I have just finished building our Fisher Fury R1
We are looking for a place where we can give it the final shake down Pre IVA, at present I don't think the brakes are bedded in enough to pass
an IVA it would be nice to go through all of the gears etc
Are there any places in the South East that you can hire for this sort of thing? Not looking to do a track day
Many thanks
Chris
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loggyboy
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 09:58 AM |
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Are you rich? Most test facilities (ie race tracks, TRL Crowthorne, most army land) will charge large figures.
Just go for a spirited drive on the way to the test centre, theres no specific rule to say you cant take an convoluted route to the centre, or book a
centre thats your closest. Providing pads and discs are new the surfaces should be mated well and should perform fine for a test. You don't need
super braking levels to pass.
Mistral Motorsport
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nick205
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:02 AM |
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For my SVA I arrived in Southampton test centre with new discs and pads/drums/shoes - passed the brake test fine.
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:03 AM |
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Book a pre mot check, drive there, drive back. But don't get a full MOT as you may end up having to do one every year after that (instead of
the 3 years you get with a new car)
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Patten
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:10 AM |
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I wish.. 
Yeah I think the going rate at Bicester Heritage is £100per hour..
We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong
Fronts:
Willwood Powerlites
Willwood smart pads (road going type)
OEM Escort discs
Rear:
Sierra Calipers
OEM disc and pads
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russbost
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
Book a pre mot check, drive there, drive back. But don't get a full MOT as you may end up having to do one every year after that (instead of
the 3 years you get with a new car)
Unless something dramatic has changed then surely that would be illegal? According to the plod it is illegal to drive a car on the UK roads without
no. plates - I was stopped twice (only times I've ever been stopped with a Furore by the plod!) on different occasions when driving cars to
& from DVLA with no plates prior to registration when you used to have to do the check with them after IVA, on both occasions they backed off when
I showed them the letter from DVLA saying "you can drive to & from the test station" - however TTBOMK there is no such agreement with
driving to/from MoT station, particularly as it wouldn't be for a pre-booked test. You can insure on the chassis no. (tho' many insurers
will only give a month or 6 weeks cover like that), but you'd still be illegal without plates
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sdh2903
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:30 AM |
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Those wilwood smart pads will never feel great. They are terrible pads. At the first opportunity I'd swap them for some mintex 1144 or ferodo
ds2500 pads. You will notice a big difference.
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russbost
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:31 AM |
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"We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong"
I'm assuming your system is unservoed? Are you making the comparison against the brakes on a typical tin top? If so then they will feel
completely different, first impression is usually "whoa! I've got no brakes!" as you will need much firmer pedal pressure to produce
the same sort of braking you're used to with a servo.
I've taken cars for customers in for IVA with discs that I would regard as fit for the bin & yet, even with new, unbedded pads on the old
discs, they've still passed. When you took the car to the test station did they run it thro' the brake rollers? &, if so, what was
their verdict?
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
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johnH20
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:39 AM |
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I took my car for an Activity Day at North Weald. Cost £50 but well worth it to sort brake balance and bedding issues. Check out www.carlimits.com.
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 10:45 AM |
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Do you know anyone with a big carpark? The company I worked for at the time of completing my build let me use the empty carpark at the weekend to do a
shakedown drive. It was a private car park with security with no public entry so nice and safe.
Might be worth an ask of anyone you know with an office/factory car park.
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DJT
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 11:41 AM |
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My new brakes got through the IVA fine. Tester did have to do a couple of slow laps around the site with the brakes on though to get them bedded in.
Prior to that it had only been trailered for an MoT and done a couple of stops on the rollers.
Brands Hatch let you do the £25/30 taster sessions, but might be a bit of a big leap for a brand new build.
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Patten
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 11:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
"We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong"
I'm assuming your system is unservoed? Are you making the comparison against the brakes on a typical tin top? If so then they will feel
completely different, first impression is usually "whoa! I've got no brakes!" as you will need much firmer pedal pressure to produce
the same sort of braking you're used to with a servo.
I've taken cars for customers in for IVA with discs that I would regard as fit for the bin & yet, even with new, unbedded pads on the old
discs, they've still passed. When you took the car to the test station did they run it thro' the brake rollers? &, if so, what was
their verdict?
Yep unservoed. Yes we took it to a friend who runs an MOT garage and they ran it on the brake rollers. I think the efficiency was below the
recommended levels for the weight of the vehicle.
Thank you all for the suggestions 
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 11:48 AM |
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If its booked into an MOT and insured then its fine. You can drive to and from MOT with no TAX/PLATES just insurance is the key.
That's from my MOT tester friend so assume he would know.
[Edited on 16/12/15 by Ben_Copeland]
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mackei23b
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 11:49 AM |
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Both times I've bedded my brakes while on the way to the SVA or IVA test, both times passed first time.
Last year I got pulled over by the Police on the way back from the IVA as I had no plates, I showed the police my IVA booking, certificate as it
passed and my insurance against the chassis number.
He kindly let me on his way and radioed his colleagues in the area to let them know I was legitimate so I didn't get pulled over again.
Cheers
Ian
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pewe
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 12:27 PM |
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Don't know what brake set-up you're using but I had similar problems with the F27 when I built it.
In my ignorance I'd put the larger of the two master cylinders to the fronts (bigger's got to be better) - passed SVA but it was only on
our first trackday and we'd cooked the rears I realised it should have been the smaller M/c operating the fronts (smaller bore = higher
pressure)
Worth checking?
Cheers, Pewe10 
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v8kid
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 12:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pewe
In my ignorance I'd put the larger of the two master cylinders to the fronts (bigger's got to be better) - passed SVA but it was only on
our first trackday and we'd cooked the rears I realised it should have been the smaller M/c operating the fronts (smaller bore = higher
pressure)
Cheers, Pewe10
I did exactly the same at my SVA. It took a bit of head scratching to work out what was wrong but easily fixed
Cheers!
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russbost
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 01:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
If its booked into an MOT and insured then its fine. You can drive to and from MOT with no TAX/PLATES just insurance is the key.
That's from my MOT tester friend so assume he would know.
[Edited on 16/12/15 by Ben_Copeland]
If you had a vehicle such as an import I seem to remember that used to be the case when I was a MoT tester myself, but that was in the days when an
imported vehicle was taken for an MoT test, had a sticker put over the speedo to convert from km to mph & the local road tax office would then
give you a reg. no. It was also the same for kitcars as that was how they were registered prior to SVA/IVA, however, TTBOMK now it would be illegal as
the vehicle has no I.D. on the UK roads. It's possible it just might be ok if going for a pre-booked MoT test, but then that defeats the point
as once in the system for MoT it would then require an MoT after the first year, rather than 3 years.
So far as I am aware the only way you can legally drive the car on the public road is to & from the IVA test, & I would suggest that if the
route was exceedingly extended, then that would probably be deemed illegal too!
I don't want you to think I'm being picky here Ben, just bothered that someone could take the advice & then get nicked! If anyone can
confirm the definitive current answer would be good!
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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adithorp
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 01:29 PM |
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You can drive "to/from a legally required (pre-booked) test" As an unregistered kit doesn't "legally require" an MOT you
are on thin ice driving to one should you get stopped.
OP there is (and I'm amazed nobody else spotted it) a glaring error in your original post... kit cars are NEVER "finished"
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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CosKev3
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 03:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Patten
I wish..
Yeah I think the going rate at Bicester Heritage is £100per hour..
We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong
Fronts:
Willwood Powerlites
Willwood smart pads (road going type)
OEM Escort discs
Rear:
Sierra Calipers
OEM disc and pads
What have you used to gain brake bias?
As above with pedal feel,no servo makes the brake pedal really hard to press with not much initial bite compared to a servo assisted car
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johnH20
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 05:51 PM |
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A brake system needs to be designed, just putting a best guess set of components together is unlikely to provide the best result. I am not an expert
but I did my research to find out - the Brake Handbook by Fred Puhn is a good start if you can find a copy, but there are other sources. In summary it
is a question of getting the mechanical and hydraulic ratios optimised. A big master cylinder and small pedal ratio will give you high efforts and
small pedal movement. The reverse applies. Getting the balance between these two is the trick. Might be worth checking what other Fury users do. Good
luck.
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bi22le
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| posted on 16/12/15 at 07:56 PM |
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If i was in your boat i would go to brands, take it off the trailer and drive it round all of the roads within the grounds. Plenty of space there and
if anyone asks, tell them that you are checking the car over before going back on track.
Or
I would do a novice half day. You can poodle round with a novice square on the back and do as you feel fit at a faster pace.
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
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ianhurley20
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| posted on 17/12/15 at 10:23 AM |
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I am going to try a test drive before IVA to check speedo and brakes and self centering. I've found an old wartime airfield I can get access to,
perhaps there is a similar one near the op? Cost = zero.
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 17/12/15 at 11:17 AM |
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Hi Chris I'm assuming your close to Bicester what about asking someone at upper heyford ?
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 17/12/15 at 11:17 AM |
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hi Chris good luck with the car I live in Bicester if your local ?
[Edited on 17/12/15 by ian locostzx9rc2]
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Patten
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| posted on 18/12/15 at 11:15 AM |
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Thanks for all the reply's
I am based down in Maidstone, Kent. So Bicester would have been a bit of a trek for us anyway
The Brands idea sounds good to me although I can't imagine they would appreciate somebody tearing up and down just outside of the track.
Even though the car has been finished off to what I believe is a good standard, the thought of going to an IVA without actually testing the car
anywhere just seems strange.
[Edited on 18/12/15 by Patten]
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