Benzine
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 08:14 AM |
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Originally posted by Jon Ison
Ok, instead of going into "slagging off someone else mode" convince me Mr David Camerroooooooon is the one me ?
Because he's a fan of Thatcher who was a wonderful human being and a brave, glorious leader
The mental gymnastics a landlord will employ to justify immoral actions is clinically fascinating. Just because something is legal doesn't make
it moral.
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morcus
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 08:17 AM |
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It would be nice to see a third party win, but this thread highlights how the system that the house of commons is based on has been totally corrupted.
Noone in the entire country should have the choice of voting for Brown or Cameron, The MP's are ment to represent the people of their
constituencies but the way its set up takes power away from normal MP's (And especially non Gov MP's) so half the countries
representatives don't really have much say in things.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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coozer
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 08:21 AM |
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I am unimpressed with the current voting system...
I hate Thatcher and what she did round here, I hate Brown cause he's a tosser and made me redundant last year.. the rest are irrelevant.
The country is run by civil servants who DONT change when there's an election.
My local councillor has a 17,000 majority... no one stands against him..
So, come May 6th, I will have 2 choices, labour of conservative, there my be liberal on there but its just a token gesture....
I clicked the BNP button.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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woodster
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 09:10 AM |
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Torry .......... I'm not voting for Gordon Brown hes a t**t 
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 12:05 PM |
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Come on the gauntlets down, dont see any convincing arguments yet ?
NI, ok so we have all these big retail magnets stood behind camerloooooooon saying they dont want the 1% increase, whats the average wage in retail ?
Yup non of them will be paying it anyways ?
Come on, convince me ?
Just so you know who your convincing, small business owner, turnover £350-400k year, home owner with mortgage one dependent child. Ask me what I would
rather have, 1% increase in NI or 1% increase on VAT ?
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02GF74
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 06:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by turbodisplay
As for being sick of the election news, it is only another few weeks, then nothing for four (or five if GB gets in) Years.
I suppose so..... but could the BBC news do it at the end, just after the skatebording duck stories?
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woodster
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 08:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Come on the gauntlets down, dont see any convincing arguments yet ?
NI, ok so we have all these big retail magnets stood behind camerloooooooon saying they dont want the 1% increase, whats the average wage in retail ?
Yup non of them will be paying it anyways ?
Come on, convince me ?
Just so you know who your convincing, small business owner, turnover £350-400k year, home owner with mortgage one dependent child. Ask me what I would
rather have, 1% increase in NI or 1% increase on VAT ?
i thought it was the employers NI that was going up which puts employers off employing more staff because of the extra cost ..... not employee NI
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Simon
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 08:50 PM |
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Correct, just had long reply but it got deleted and I'm not interested in retyping.
Everyone earning between £4,940 and £43,888 p.a. pays 11% and 1% thereafter.
I can't think of any reasons why you would want to vote for Cameron - I can't, other than it'll mean Gormless not getting in
again.
ATB
Simon
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Fozzie
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 09:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Come on the gauntlets down, dont see any convincing arguments yet ?.......
I think that is the major problem Jon...  ... I don't think that at this point anyone can tell the difference between the Tories or Labour
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On a personal level, the only party that 'promises' to invoke those values that are close to my heart at this time......(no, its not the
BNP), are 'unknowns' and as such have not one 'strong' politician amongst them, even though they are fielding (allegedly) 500
candidates ......
As far as mass immigration is concerned .... there is an old proverb.....
'You can't pour a pint of beer into a half pint pot...'
The British Isles is only so big, it seems incredible that the top parties still haven't sussed that one out yet, and implemented a stricter
criteria on that basis alone.....
Political Asylum ... does the Geneva Convention not state that the nearest 'Safe Country' should be used?
The EU ... they have taken away our independence ....without much of a fight from either the Tories or Labour ....
Labour gave away our rebates that the Tories had negotiated ..... neither party gave us or would give us a referendum......
They have given away our Fishing rights, but allow other EU members to take what they want .....
They have taken over our Justice system and made a mockery of that.....
Regardless of what may be a popular opinion, we cannot trade freely as we once did.
We pay in many millions to the EU, and we get nothing of any consequence out of it ...
We are not part of Europe geographically we are an island/isles ....
We need to take back control of our United Kingdom ... which party offers to do all of that?
UKIP  .....the problem? ..see my first paragraph ^ ^ ...
The next thing is, as has been mentioned in an above post, is how the current electoral system isn't indicative of the populous vote......
What to do? ..... I wish I knew ...
The above views are, of course, IMHO ...
Fozzie 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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splitrivet
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| posted on 10/4/10 at 10:37 PM |
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To be honest I see no difference in any of the major parties. New Labour was and is new Thatcherism a doctrine which said we dont need industry
anymore let the bankers run the country yeah right where has that got us and stand by for more of the same regardless of the colour of the party that
wins.
I feel very sad that as a nation we rely on giving hand outs (scrappage) that have helped the Korean and others car industry and companies like
Cadbury's have been sold down the river.
As for the notion of Labour get us into debt Tories get us out thats cr@p and is how its always been played in this country where you live and your
background makes you believe how you should vote, certainly Blair wants his arse kicking for letting us follow that loony yank into Iraq but over
their term my business has done OK as have most.
We need a new direction but I see nobody out there who's going to give it to us as for immigrants most of them coming here want to work where
most Brits want family tax credit a new foreign motor on the drive and a 48" plasma, perhaps as has been said a nation gets the government it
deserves.
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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morcus
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| posted on 11/4/10 at 07:01 AM |
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Not aimed at anyone specific, and not just aplling to here, but I've seen alot of people complaining about the Europe and thatcher in the same
breath, even though she was ousted for being anti-European, Its just something I've noticed alot in alot of places over the past week.
Any one else think that election day should be a Bank holiday, and that nothing should be allowed to open so everyone gets the day off?
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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scootz
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| posted on 11/4/10 at 09:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
Any one else think that election day should be a Bank holiday, and that nothing should be allowed to open so everyone gets the day off?
Yep!
It's Evolution Baby!
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woodster
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| posted on 12/4/10 at 12:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Come on the gauntlets down, dont see any convincing arguments yet ?.......
I think that is the major problem Jon... ... I don't think that at this point anyone can tell the difference between the Tories or Labour
.....
On a personal level, the only party that 'promises' to invoke those values that are close to my heart at this time......(no, its not the
BNP), are 'unknowns' and as such have not one 'strong' politician amongst them, even though they are fielding (allegedly) 500
candidates ......
As far as mass immigration is concerned .... there is an old proverb.....
'You can't pour a pint of beer into a half pint pot...'
The British Isles is only so big, it seems incredible that the top parties still haven't sussed that one out yet, and implemented a stricter
criteria on that basis alone.....
Political Asylum ... does the Geneva Convention not state that the nearest 'Safe Country' should be used?
The EU ... they have taken away our independence ....without much of a fight from either the Tories or Labour ....
Labour gave away our rebates that the Tories had negotiated ..... neither party gave us or would give us a referendum......
They have given away our Fishing rights, but allow other EU members to take what they want .....
They have taken over our Justice system and made a mockery of that.....
Regardless of what may be a popular opinion, we cannot trade freely as we once did.
We pay in many millions to the EU, and we get nothing of any consequence out of it ...
We are not part of Europe geographically we are an island/isles ....
We need to take back control of our United Kingdom ... which party offers to do all of that?
UKIP .....the problem? ..see my first paragraph ^ ^ ...
The next thing is, as has been mentioned in an above post, is how the current electoral system isn't indicative of the populous vote......
What to do? ..... I wish I knew ...
The above views are, of course, IMHO ...
Fozzie
Does that not point you in the direction of a conservative vote .... they will put a stop to the open door immigration problem and they have never
been very keen on the euro/eec zone
[Edited on 12/4/10 by woodster]
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Fozzie
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| posted on 12/4/10 at 12:28 PM |
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Hmmm...I thought so too Woody.....until I checked out this......
clicky
thing
Fozzie ...
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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coozer
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| posted on 12/4/10 at 03:02 PM |
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Because he's a fan of Thatcher who was a wonderful human being and a brave, glorious leader
I think she is the EXACT opposite of that statement....
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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craig1410
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| posted on 12/4/10 at 03:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
Because he's a fan of Thatcher who was a wonderful human being and a brave, glorious leader
I think she is the EXACT opposite of that statement....
Thatcher was a strong leader which is exactly what we need now in my opinion. Brown spends too much time pulling knifes out of his back and telling
the public what he thinks they want to hear.
Camerons greatest achievement so far is sorting out the conservative party and getting them pulling together again. I think he has shown strong
leadership and would make a good PM because he draws upon the experience of his cabinet rather than going it alone like brown.
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Benzine
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| posted on 12/4/10 at 04:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
Because he's a fan of Thatcher who was a wonderful human being and a brave, glorious leader
I think she is the EXACT opposite of that statement....
sarcasm fwiw
So thatcher was bad but nick griffin is great? Laaaaaaaawl XD
The mental gymnastics a landlord will employ to justify immoral actions is clinically fascinating. Just because something is legal doesn't make
it moral.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 12/4/10 at 04:26 PM |
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"Camerons greatest achievement so far is sorting out the conservative party and getting them pulling together again. I think he has shown strong
leadership and would make a good PM because he draws upon the experience of his cabinet rather than going it alone like brown."
That's the problem, his cabinet.......... Thatcher was such a strong leader they got rid of her, come on floating voter here still not convinced
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coozer
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| posted on 14/4/10 at 10:46 AM |
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Right then, I've made me mind up, I've read this thread and countless others online, done profile checks, read the manifesto's and
come to one conclusion.
VOTE UKIP!
Out of all the party's and all the policies the only thing I don't like about UKIP is allowing smoking back in pubs.
And, I'm goign out for drink with my local UKIP candidate soon
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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morcus
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| posted on 14/4/10 at 04:03 PM |
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UKIP are going to make smoking legal again? I'd missed that and like that Idea.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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