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FUORISERIE

posted on 4/6/07 at 09:12 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by cloudy
Sorry no updated pictures yet - i've been slacking!!

I have a new render though





Nice rendering, is that a RHINO 3D Render? or 3DMAX?

Looking forward to more, and keep it up

Ciao
Italo






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cloudy

posted on 8/6/07 at 04:46 PM Reply With Quote
That's 3dsmax using the mental ray renderer


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FUORISERIE

posted on 10/6/07 at 09:42 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by cloudy
That's 3dsmax using the mental ray renderer


James


James,
I should get you to work on a few of my sketches....., your talent with 3dmax is great...

Italo






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cloudy

posted on 20/6/07 at 09:44 PM Reply With Quote
Bit more done on the chassis:





Here's a pic with the roll bar taped on at correct height - looks huge in comparison to the rest, any good ideas for a clever shape or reducing the height i'll need?



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Tralfaz

posted on 20/6/07 at 11:05 PM Reply With Quote
Painting the bar darker than the frame should reduce it's impact.

T

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Doug68

posted on 20/6/07 at 11:39 PM Reply With Quote
What's it look like when someones sitting in it?
I expect it will look just right then.
To me aesthetically it looks just fine the way it is.
If you don't like it though maybe disguise by mounting the rear wing off it or something like that?

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cloudy

posted on 4/7/07 at 08:27 PM Reply With Quote





Thanks to 'rickys2000' for lending me his engine hoist - which will allow me to drop the engine in saturday!

James

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FUORISERIE

posted on 4/7/07 at 08:30 PM Reply With Quote
That looks really good.........I like your latest chassis design.....

Italo






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cloudy

posted on 7/7/07 at 02:59 PM Reply With Quote
The engine is mounted, I couldn't resist starting it up (with the help of some gaffa tape!) - here's a vid
http://www.digital-car.co.uk/wr4/r4firststart.wmv

and some pics:











[Edited on 7/7/07 by cloudy]

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sgraber

posted on 8/7/07 at 12:07 AM Reply With Quote
It looks simply SMASHING!!!!

Can you tell me the wheelbase and width (out to out) front and rear?





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kb58

posted on 8/7/07 at 12:25 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by cloudy
The engine is mounted, I couldn't resist starting it up (with the help of some gaffa tape!) - here's a vid
http://www.digital-car.co.uk/wr4/r4firststart.wmv
[Edited on 7/7/07 by cloudy]


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Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html

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Doug68

posted on 8/7/07 at 03:58 AM Reply With Quote
It works OK for me, a bit slow to buffer but it gets there.
you could also right click and "save as".

Its coming along nicely!

I particularly like the part where you duck in to get the ear defenders!

And the exhaust routing may need a bit of a rethink

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cloudy

posted on 8/7/07 at 11:13 AM Reply With Quote
Steve,

Wheelbase: 229cm

Track front and rear(out to out) 162cm

James

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cloudy

posted on 25/7/07 at 08:36 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks to some rack extensions from MAC#1 i've installed the steering system.

It feels fairly smooth - but does this look like too much of an angle for the UJ? (It's around 45 degrees)



[Edited on 25/7/07 by cloudy]

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sgraber

posted on 26/7/07 at 01:04 AM Reply With Quote
I think that angle will be ok as long as you don't feel a 'hitch' at any specific point as it rotates?

However... I am not too happy with your rack mounts. At least not if you are leaving it that way... They should be much beefier.



quote:
Originally posted by cloudy
Thanks to some rack extensions from MAC#1 i've installed the steering system.

It feels fairly smooth - but does this look like too much of an angle for the UJ? (It's around 45 degrees)



[Edited on 25/7/07 by cloudy]






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Ratman

posted on 26/7/07 at 05:23 AM Reply With Quote
maybe you could replace the fibre disk joint with a UJ and split the angle between the 2 UJs. this way you can get exact CV between the steering wheel and the rack. I have been surprised to find how many cars use common splines in their steering systems. If you use Toyota stuff you can find shafts and UJs of all lengths that can be cobbled together.
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cloudy

posted on 26/7/07 at 12:18 PM Reply With Quote
Good idea - I think rally design sell a compatible UJ

There is no notching of the UJ, just thinking about logievity

The rack mounts are not finished, I have both an X brace to prevent sideways movement and a another two to prevent any fore-aft movement

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nkosta

posted on 26/7/07 at 01:07 PM Reply With Quote
Hi !
It is time to promote this design in to Mk I ( beta version ) of official locostbuilders`s mid engine car?
Many good and competent gay are included in discussion and I suppose that exist general agreement about look and strength and easy to build quality of this particular design
Or I am wrong and this is only special BEC construction not strong enough to carry MOST of contemporary FWD car modules (many Japan models , WV , PSA group of France etc. .. etc)?
I am sorry not to hear Rorty opinion here (read historical tread : http://locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=34017 )
At least I am middle aged man ( mid.... if you assume that life expectancy are about 100years!) and not have a time to wait next 50 y. for new FWD locost.
Spend last 2-3 y. on the NET looking for something that I can build ( in the first time buggy , lather super 7 and at the end middy with Suzuki Swift 1.3 GTI module ...single seater may be for general safe?)
My "neighbor" kikiturbo have nice space frame single seater and I waiting for final conclusion
after careful FEA work (whatever mean that).
May be I can finally bay plans from somebody similar to Book Design and finish little screamer before going to die("Never attempt to build locost after 40thy probably you not drive them"
cheers to all

[Edited on 26/7/07 by nkosta]

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Alan B

posted on 26/7/07 at 05:15 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by nkosta
....It is time to promote this design in to Mk I ( beta version ) of official locostbuilders`s mid engine car?......


As much as like Cloudy's car I'm obviuosly going to answer no......I think all of us doing our own thing would probably say "no, pick mine instead"......IMO it's down to someone building one, writing a book, offering parts etc.....until then we'll go our own way....which isn't necessarily a bad thing.....

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cloudy

posted on 26/7/07 at 08:16 PM Reply With Quote
I wouldn't even volunteer my own car for it! I'm brand new to all this and i'm making it up as I go - far better designed by someone with experience...

James

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nkosta

posted on 27/7/07 at 08:05 PM Reply With Quote
With all my heart I support diversity ( ..of species ....Charles Darwin my favored tuner ) And concern and modesty of some"non experiencing " but generous people .... but IMHO its time that Lord ( Law and Order) take things in hands ''
I t is time to make some basic recommendation about tube material ,cockpit , front end , front suspension etc. .. etc at least in level of so many Book design ? . Ariel Atom established one particular point of view and slowly become standard. Especially with this large-long- curved good looking tubes up ( a MUST for mid engine?) . It is time to identified a couple most affordable front end donor? .. across the world of course. Many good gay almost finished their FEA-patran - nastran work
At the end this while help diversity its self
Good plan and numerous variants of this plan are key for longevity
Who are a Jim McSorley in mid-engine-transverse mounted kingdom?
(sorry splecheckered English)
Thank you for patience
kosta

[Edited on 27/7/07 by nkosta]

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cloudy

posted on 9/9/07 at 10:28 PM Reply With Quote
It's still coming along,

Brakes are in and almost completed gear change assembly...

Have been throwing some idea's round for a 1+1 revision to the chassis to be completed after mk1 is complete - a few renders...

The basic layout:


Atomesque?

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cloudy

posted on 9/9/07 at 11:01 PM Reply With Quote
The design for the "transmission tunnel" for the current car


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cloudy

posted on 21/9/07 at 04:45 PM Reply With Quote
was hoping for some input there on the 1+1 design


Just weighed the car today, 345kg minus floor, exhaust and diff - on the heavy side!
I will definately have to rebuild the chassis at some point with lighter tube and be more intelligent with my space frame attitude

Weight distribution is 58:42 rear:front - sound OK for a middy?

James

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thomas4age

posted on 21/9/07 at 05:19 PM Reply With Quote
wait a minute, your whole car weighs in at 345kg with engine and everything you need, exept exhaust, diff and 2 floor pannels? and you're on the heavy side?

I can only dream........

grtz Thomas

[Edited on 21/9/07 by thomas4age]





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