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Steve Hignett

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:04 PM Reply With Quote
Help / Advice needed - My dog has killed a neighbours dog.

Hi All,

Not had the best night ever.

I was on my way home and received a frantic phone call from my wife.

She'd taken our dog round to my parents and on one of the several occasions he was running round the back garden he has gone through to next doors to my parents and they have let him in where he has killed the neighbours dog. I do not know which one attacked which, and not sure I will ever know the full answer, but they are not going to press any charges.

I do not want to have my dog put down, but I don't think my wife wants to keep him anymore in case something like this ever happens again. He has showed aggression to other dogs in the past at the field and so on, but he is rarely the one to start it, if ever.

I don't what this community could offer in the form of advice, but I am dead against having him put down, I'd take him into the wild and let him go before that happened. But was also wondering if there was someone on here, or if someone knew of someone that my dog could go to as a new owner.

I know this is an odd request given the circumstances, but do feel that my dog is good natured at heart, he has never been aggressive to anything other than a dog, but with us having a baby on the way, my wife feels that it isn't something she wants to take a risk on and I will do whatever she says in this regard...

Kind regards,
Steve






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austin man

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:10 PM Reply With Quote
Ha he been castrated ?? this can remove the aggresive behaviour. Dog training may also be of use. Obviously with a baby or youngster you have to be carefull with any dog however placid it may be.





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cd.thomson

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:13 PM Reply With Quote
whats the breed? whatever you decide you need to take the responsible option as your dog has proved itself to be dangerous.

I've considered what I would do if a dog attacked mine, and it wouldnt require me pressing any charges.

I say this as a dog lover.

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Steve G

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:20 PM Reply With Quote
Crikey Steve I really feel for you in the situation but can see the point your wife has if you have a baby on the way. As much as we love our animals, you would never forgive yourself if anything happened to your baby and as soon as you mentioned that point, then really there's not too much of a choice to make. Although the aggression has only been towards other dogs previously, you're about to bring a new member to your "pack".

Afraid I cant offer much advice other than to say i recon you should think about wether you'd prefer him to go to someone you know or a clean break (but just knowing he's gone to a good home).

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mookaloid

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:21 PM Reply With Quote
Sorry but time for it to go I reckon





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posted on 23/12/09 at 10:25 PM Reply With Quote
It's a tough one and I can understand why you will never have him put down (and IMHO that is a really last resport option for a genuinely very dangerous or sick dog only).

However, with having a baby on the way, you just can not take that risk at all.

As suggested, some training, implement some very strict rules and if not already done, castration. If that fails, rehoming is the only other option.

We had a dog before baby arrived. He was really, really soft (petrified of the cat), but our house was just too small for me, wife, baby, cat and energetic labrador. So, we searched for a new home and now he lives with a vet, who takes him out on rounds and when she's working in the surgery, the dog stays with her parents on a farm where he runs with working gun dogs. Other than keeping the dog, it's the next best thing to know that he's living a better life than I could ever realistacally have given him. We get periodic updates.

I still live in a mad house though, such is the way with babies....

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You have to consider whether you can handle retraining a potentially aggressive dog whilst raising a baby - they're quite demanding little creatures and so far as I know, they only get worse for the first 2.5 years (and counting!)

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billy

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:28 PM Reply With Quote
Thats bad news ive had dogs as long as i can remember, if they have killed then they can never be trusted! its not worth taking a chance with an agressive dog, it could be a child next, and im sure you wouldnt want that would you? ive kept working lurchers for years and once they tasted fresh blood they do change!!!





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posted on 23/12/09 at 10:32 PM Reply With Quote
I had the same issue with my (old) dog, he had bitten me, and my partner was not happy with temperament towards people touching him, as he went for her on a couple of occasions.

We had a child on the way, and it was born, and the dog did not improve, and got to a point where i was a bit scared of touching him myself. It might of been the stress to a child coming into the house, but we had 2 other dogs and they were ok with the new arrival.

It got to the point of our daughter crawling, and I could not imagine what I would do if the dog harmed our daughter.

Due to his aggressive behaviour in the past I looked to re-home him. I even spoke to the breeder where i got him, and she was willing to lie about his past, but i wasn't.

So i had the very hard decision to have him put down (the hardest ever) I do not ever want to go through it again. Still hurts me to this day.

My thought process was i did not want him to hurt my daughter, as scars last forever, and I would never forgive myself, and if i had of re-homed him I would again not want him to harm anyone else, unless he was in my care, as the stress of that might of made him worse.

I had taken my dogs to training lessons, had the snip and my partner is a vet.

We both agreed if any of our animals showed any aggressive behaviour towards our 2 children now that they had to go; as much as you love them family comes first.

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billy

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:36 PM Reply With Quote
well said that man





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McLannahan

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:39 PM Reply With Quote
Oh crap Pants.....

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Steve Hignett

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:40 PM Reply With Quote
Below are the only pics I have of him on this site.

We are his THIRD owners and so even though he will obey my commands, he isn't very good with my wife and parents don't tell him the same way I do. Having said that, he has (in my presence) been aggresive to other dogs But only when provoked first.

As his third owners he could potentially have been up to all sorts before we got him, and that is a problem weve always worried about. Even though he does do what I say when it is a command, if I just tell him stuff he does seem to do it at the second or third attempt.

He is a cross between a long legged jack russel and staff bull terrier, so two of the more aggressive dogs, out there, but soft as muck with everyone that comes into contact with him.

I named him Rowdy because of the dog from the Scrubs TV program, and everyone always comments on the fact that he's the least rowdy dog they've ever met.

I am not in argument with whether we should keep him with a baby around, I do believe that if this hadn't happened then I would of cotrolled him very well with a baby around. (we have had babies round, and apart from smelling and being inquisitive, he's not that bothered)

Please keep suggestions coming, I want to get this problem resolved, but I am not willing to have him put down.


One of the biggest reasons for that is, the fact that for all I know, even though he's been let into their house, the other dog may well have attacked him. Despite my comments on his earlier behaviour.

He has been castrated before we took him in, and is around 4 - 5 years old...


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MK9R

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:40 PM Reply With Quote
You can't risk it with a baby, and you can't just pass the chance it may happen onto someone else, it has to be putdown IMO, sorry.





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McLannahan

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:42 PM Reply With Quote
Can he be taken back to a Dog's home Pants?
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MK9R

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:44 PM Reply With Quote
Just seen your last post, 3rd owner (why has he had 3????) and wife not 100% before this, sorry but this only confirms my first opinion. The First owner may have had something similar happens and couldn't have him destroyed so passed him on, you can't do the same





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fesycresy

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:44 PM Reply With Quote
Glad to see the back of 2009............

Milenah's right.

Watch how jealous a dog becomes when a new baby arrives.

Sorry, not what you wanted to hear. I would still seek professional advice though.





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Tiger Super Six

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:46 PM Reply With Quote
In my opinion it has tasted blood and there is now only one responsible action unless you are going to guarantee that you will be its next victim, not some innocent stranger.

My wife was attacked walking along the street earlier in the year and she got away with cut arms, but had she been with our 2 year old it could have been a different story!

Appreciate its difficult but its also not nice for an innocent person to get attacked when a dog is known to be aggresive.





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Confused but excited.

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:47 PM Reply With Quote
I had a massive doberman that was aggressive towards other dogs and very protective of my wife and kids and was daft as a brush in the house with family and friends. You wouldn't want to break in though
Your dog may have though the other dog was a threat to a family member and did what he was supposed to do.
Just because he was aggressive to another dog does not mean he may be a danger to people.
Find the facts before you make a decision. You would never forgive yourself if you had it put down and then found out that the other dog had kicked off and yours was just being protective.





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Ninehigh

posted on 23/12/09 at 10:52 PM Reply With Quote
There is the possibility that the dog won't dare touch the baby on the idea that "this has come from Master, better not bite"

However I'd be ultra-uber-super-mega careul about this...






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Tiger Super Six

posted on 23/12/09 at 11:03 PM Reply With Quote
As long as you wife and kids are ok! What about if you are not around, the kids are old enough to walk it and then it attacks someone!

PS - that's exactly what happened to my wife, two 16 year olds walking a Doberman! (not saying you or your dog would do that,but people need to be responsible to others especially where a dog has killed something).

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Originally posted by Confused but excited.
I had a massive doberman that was aggressive towards other dogs and very protective of my wife and kids and was daft as a brush in the house with family and friends. You wouldn't want to break in though
Your dog may have though the other dog was a threat to a family member and did what he was supposed to do.
Just because he was aggressive to another dog does not mean he may be a danger to people.
Find the facts before you make a decision. You would never forgive yourself if you had it put down and then found out that the other dog had kicked off and yours was just being protective.






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billy

posted on 23/12/09 at 11:06 PM Reply With Quote
Im sorry but thats got mostly jack rusell in it, so NO way can you trust that dog!!! if looked more like a staff it wouldnt be so bad! staffs are prone for hating other dogs, male dogs are worse for it, but they are mostly good with people. but with so much jack in the dog you have no choice my freind! i had a working jack rusell that would wanna bite everone, game over for him im afraid. im sorry to say this as i know its very hard to loose a dog





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thunderace

posted on 23/12/09 at 11:08 PM Reply With Quote
i have seen this before too often ...
ask your self
what will he kill next
if my dog bit another dog i would put it down that day,
i blame you sorry to say the owner for not training it ,socialising it ect i see it too aften ,
i help out at a dog rescue and hear it all the time.
(if it was your dog that got killed would you want it put down )

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OX

posted on 23/12/09 at 11:13 PM Reply With Quote
Dude you'd never forgive yourself if anything happened to your newborn .
you know the answer already



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billy

posted on 23/12/09 at 11:15 PM Reply With Quote
Thats a bit harsh my freind, you cant blame the owner here! you got a bad mixture of dog there, the rusell is a very tough dog, its mixed with a muscly dog like a staff, so its a very capable killing dog. my jack would take on any dog much bigger than him, once they start to fight theres no stopping them





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billy

posted on 23/12/09 at 11:22 PM Reply With Quote
Im sorry to sound like a dog hater, but im not! heres apic of my last lurcher, he lived to 12 years old, if your furry then look out http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a268/billybruiser/billy.jpg





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posted on 23/12/09 at 11:25 PM Reply With Quote
There is a big difference between being agressive to and scrapping with other dogs and killing one.

I have had dogs in the family for most of my life and I know what I would do - even if i hated to do it.

It does not sound like this one can be trusted. I am afraid I think you have no choice and cannot afford to take the risk.

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